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  • Historical Member Reports

    Introduction

    The following reports were submitted by former members of the Royal Australian Navy and were originally published on the Pussers Greenies website between 2003 and 2004.

    These reports represent personal experiences, observations and concerns relating to chemicals, solvents and other potential health exposures encountered during naval service.

    The reports are reproduced here as part of the historical record of the Pussers Greenies community.

    These reports should not be considered medical evidence or medical advice.


    TurcoSolv and Solvent Exposure Reports

    Garry (Crewie) Thorburn – March 2004

    TurcoSolv

    I have collected a lot of information regarding TurcoSolv as well as Freon. I currently have a case going through DVA. If you need any information please email direct.

    Regards,

    Garry (Crewie) Thorburn


    Bob Stevenson – March 2004

    TurcoSolv

    I am having a few problems with various parts of me and I wondered if anyone had had any joy in getting anything out of DVA when claiming for problems maybe caused by Turco.

    I would appreciate any information.

    Regards,

    Stevo Stevenson
    R52643


    Noel Wright – November 2003

    Dangers of TurcoSolv

    I was sent this information from Rets via the GunPlot.

    TurcoSolv contains a couple of very nasty substances – Trichloroethylene and Butoxyethanol.

    For a very interesting read, log on to:

    www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp19.html


    Product Information and Chemical Components

    Garry (Crewie) Thorburn – October 2003

    Ingredients of TurcoSolv

    The following information was submitted regarding the composition of TurcoSolv:

    ComponentApproximate Content
    Trichloroethylene30–60%
    Liquid Hydrocarbon30–60%
    Methylene Chloride10%
    Butoxyethanol10%

    Exposure Limits

    ChemicalExposure Limit
    Trichloroethylene50 ppm
    Methylene Chloride50 ppm
    Butoxyethanol25 ppm

    It is classified as Hazardous according to criteria of Worksafe Australia.

    Regards,

    Crewie


    Supplier Advice Regarding TurcoSolv

    Garry (Crewie) Thorburn – October 2003

    TurcoSolv is still sold in Australia by a company called Avanti Chemicals in Queensland.

    The representative I spoke with confirmed that Butoxyethanol was considered dangerous, however he stated that Trichloroethylene was an even greater concern.

    Information available at the time suggested that Trichloroethylene may affect:

    • Liver
    • Kidneys
    • Vision
    • Central Nervous System
    • Cranial Nerves
    • Hearing
    • Heart

    Butoxyethanol was also reported as affecting:

    • Liver
    • Kidneys
    • Central Nervous System
    • Skin

    The supplier advised that safe use required:

    1. Respiratory protection
    2. Protective gloves and clothing
    3. Eye protection
    4. No smoking, drinking or eating during use

    Crewie concluded:

    Of course wearing a pair of sandals and shorts up top in an enclosed compartment provided excellent protection.


    Freon and Cleaning Solvents

    John Osborne – October 2003

    Freon was another product liberally used for cleaning motor windings and electrical equipment because it did not affect insulation.

    We used Freon and TurcoSolv regularly in 44-gallon drums cut in half for washing equipment using brushes, spray bottles and soaking.

    No safety gear was supplied and none was mentioned on the drums.


    Butoxyethanol Concerns

    Garry (Crewie) Thorburn – October 2003

    As a result of John Osborne’s comments I looked up 2-Butoxyethanol on the internet.

    It is very scary to read the side effects of Butoxyethanol.

    If it was indeed a major ingredient of TurcoSolv, it is little wonder that the Navy remained tight-lipped about it.


    Original Member Discussion

    John Osborne – September 2003

    Hey guys – remember TurcoSolv?

    The cleaner/degreaser we practically made coffee with.

    Apparently it is an eye and respiratory irritant, is easily absorbed through the skin and has numerous side effects.

    The chemical is 2-Butoxyethanol.

    Just thought I’d brighten up your day.


    Skin Conditions and DVA Claims

    Garry (Crewie) Thorburn – October 2003

    I have been suffering from a skin condition affecting my forearms, hands, legs and face.

    My skin is excessively dry and I experience a continual burning sensation.

    I have consulted three different dermatologists and none have been able to offer an explanation.

    I submitted a claim to DVA which was originally accepted but later rejected due to insufficient supporting evidence.

    Any information that may assist would be greatly appreciated.


    Historical Information Regarding TurcoSolv

    Peter – The Greenies On-Line Team – October 2003

    TurcoSolv was introduced into the RAN during the early 1960s as a replacement for Carbon Tetrachloride, which had already developed a reputation for adverse health effects.

    TurcoSolv itself was eventually withdrawn from use because of concerns regarding its own health impacts.

    I was advised by an advocate that some of the components of TurcoSolv may remain within the skin for many years and potentially affect the immune system.

    At the time there appeared to be little public discussion of the issue and information was difficult to obtain.


    Dermatitis and Health Concerns

    Garry (Crewie) Thorburn – October 2003

    In regard to a possible DVA claim, have you heard of any former Greenies from the 1960s and 1970s experiencing dermatitis or other health problems as a result of exposure to TurcoSolv?

    As you may remember, TurcoSolv was a general electrical equipment cleaning fluid.

    I understand it was eventually withdrawn from use in the RAN after concerns were raised regarding its safety.

    However, I cannot recall the original source of that information.


    Preserving Our History

    The reports above form part of the historical record of the Pussers Greenies community and reflect concerns raised by former sailors regarding workplace practices, chemical exposures and long-term health outcomes.

    While medical understanding and compensation arrangements continue to evolve, these reports provide valuable insight into the experiences of many former Greenies.


    Need Assistance?

    If you are concerned that a health condition may be related to your naval service, please speak with your local GP first.

    Your GP can assess your symptoms, arrange appropriate tests, refer you to specialists, and help document medical evidence if you later decide to contact DVA or an advocate.

    Department of Veterans’ Affairs

    Website: www.dva.gov.au

    DVA General Enquiries: 133 254

    Regional callers: 1800 555 254

    1800 VETERAN: 1800 838 372

    Veterans’ Advocacy Support

    Accredited advocates may assist with:

    • DVA claims
    • Statements of Principles
    • Medical evidence requirements
    • Reviews and appeals

    Important Notice

    This information is provided for historical and educational purposes only. It is not medical, legal or compensation advice.

    Always seek advice from your GP, specialist, DVA, or an accredited advocate regarding your personal circumstances.

  • Parkinson’s Disease & Trichloroethylene

    Introduction

    This article concerns the relationship between Trichloroethylene exposure and Parkinson’s Disease, along with information regarding Chronic Toxic Encephalopathy (CTE).

    Trichloroethylene was a major component of TurcoSolv, a product used extensively throughout the Royal Australian Navy.


    Chronic Toxic Encephalopathy

    The original article highlighted concerns regarding:

    Chronic Toxic Encephalopathy (CTE)

    CTE was described as a progressive neurological condition associated with long-term exposure to industrial solvents.

    Symptoms may include:

    • Memory impairment
    • Reduced concentration
    • Cognitive decline
    • Headaches
    • Balance issues
    • Hearing disturbances
    • Tinnitus
    • Dizziness

    The original article cited a detailed medical discussion from the International Tinnitus Journal concerning solvent exposure and neurological disease. 


    Parkinson’s Disease SOP

    In April 2016 the Repatriation Medical Authority issued:

    Statement of Principles No. 55 of 2016

    for Parkinson’s Disease and Secondary Parkinsonism.

    The original Health Issues page highlighted this as significant because:

    Exposure to Trichloroethylene was recognised within the Statement of Principles.

    This was considered particularly important for former Greenies due to the widespread historical use of TurcoSolv. 


    Claim Requirements

    The original article noted that claims were not straightforward and would generally require evidence of:

    • Significant exposure.
    • Service conditions meeting SOP requirements.
    • Supporting medical evidence.

    Members considering a claim were encouraged to seek professional advocacy support.


    Historical Importance

    The 2016 SOP update represented one of the first instances where a major TurcoSolv component was recognised within a DVA Statement of Principles and remains an important reference point for veterans researching potential claims.

    Need Assistance?

    If you are concerned that a health condition may be related to your naval service, please speak with your local GP first.

    Your GP can assess your symptoms, arrange appropriate tests, refer you to specialists, and help document medical evidence if you later decide to contact DVA or an advocate.

    Department of Veterans’ Affairs

    Website: www.dva.gov.au

    DVA General Enquiries: 133 254

    Regional callers: 1800 555 254

    Veterans can also contact:

    1800 VETERAN (1800 838 372)

    Veterans’ Advocacy Support

    Accredited advocates may assist with:

    • DVA claims
    • Statements of Principles
    • Medical evidence requirements
    • Reviews and appeals

    Important Notice

    This information is provided for historical and educational purposes only. It is not medical, legal or compensation advice.

    Always seek advice from your GP, specialist, DVA, or an accredited advocate regarding your personal circumstances.

  • Asbestos Exposure

    Introduction

    Asbestos was widely used throughout naval vessels and Defence facilities for much of the twentieth century.

    It was commonly used for:

    • Pipe lagging
    • Thermal insulation
    • Fire protection
    • Machinery spaces
    • Soundproofing

    As a result, many former Royal Australian Navy personnel may have been exposed during their service.


    Historical Context

    The original Pussers Greenies Health Issues page made the observation:

    “If you were a member of the RAN there is no may have been involved – you were!”

    While clearly reflecting the views of former sailors rather than an official position, it highlights how widespread asbestos exposure was believed to be by many veterans. 


    Defence Asbestos Registration Service

    Defence established an asbestos registration and assessment process through Health Services Australia.

    Veterans concerned about possible exposure were instructed to first contact:

    Defence Service Centre

    1300 333 362

    to obtain a reference number before proceeding with assessment. 


    Conditions Associated With Exposure

    Exposure to asbestos has been associated with:

    • Asbestosis
    • Mesothelioma
    • Pleural plaques
    • Lung cancer

    Symptoms may not appear until many years or even decades after exposure.


    Historical Resources

    The original website provided a collection of asbestos-related resources including:

    • Mesothelioma information for veterans
    • Asbestosis information resources
    • Medical information websites
    • Legal and compensation information

    Many of these original links are now historical and may no longer be available. 


    Why This Information Has Been Preserved

    Many former sailors continue to pursue DVA claims relating to asbestos exposure and associated illnesses.

    The original information has therefore been retained as a historical reference.

    Need Assistance?

    If you are concerned that a health condition may be related to your naval service, please speak with your local GP first.

    Your GP can assess your symptoms, arrange appropriate tests, refer you to specialists, and help document medical evidence if you later decide to contact DVA or an advocate.

    Department of Veterans’ Affairs

    Website: www.dva.gov.au

    DVA General Enquiries: 133 254

    Regional callers: 1800 555 254

    Veterans can also contact:

    1800 VETERAN (1800 838 372)

    Veterans’ Advocacy Support

    Accredited advocates may assist with:

    • DVA claims
    • Statements of Principles
    • Medical evidence requirements
    • Reviews and appeals

    Important Notice

    This information is provided for historical and educational purposes only. It is not medical, legal or compensation advice.

    Always seek advice from your GP, specialist, DVA, or an accredited advocate regarding your personal circumstances.

  • TurcoSolv Exposure

    Introduction

    TurcoSolv was one of the most commonly used electrical cleaning and degreasing products within the Royal Australian Navy.

    Many Greenies recall using TurcoSolv extensively when cleaning:

    • Motors
    • Switchboards
    • Electrical equipment
    • Control gear
    • Machinery components

    Often this occurred in confined spaces and without modern protective equipment.


    What Was In TurcoSolv?

    Historical information collected by members identified the following constituents:

    ComponentApproximate Percentage
    Trichloroethylene30–60%
    Liquid Hydrocarbon30–60%
    Methylene Chloride10%
    Butoxyethanol10%

    The product was classified as hazardous according to Worksafe Australia criteria. 


    Potential Health Effects

    Information supplied by members and chemical suppliers identified possible effects involving:

    • Liver damage
    • Kidney damage
    • Central nervous system effects
    • Respiratory irritation
    • Skin disorders
    • Dermatitis
    • Hearing issues
    • Vision issues

    Member Experiences

    The original Health Issues page contains numerous firsthand reports from former members.

    Common themes included:

    • Working with TurcoSolv in enclosed compartments.
    • Cleaning equipment using open drums of solvent.
    • Minimal use of protective equipment.
    • Concerns regarding long-term health impacts.
    • Difficulties obtaining DVA recognition.

    One member noted that TurcoSolv was used so frequently that sailors:

    “almost made coffee with it.”

    Another reported using TurcoSolv and Freon in open drums for washing equipment without safety gear being provided. 


    Safety Precautions Identified

    Historical advice suggested the following precautions:

    • Respiratory protection
    • Protective gloves
    • Protective clothing
    • Eye protection
    • No eating, drinking or smoking during use

    Many veterans observed that these precautions were rarely implemented during the period they served. 


    Historical Significance

    TurcoSolv remains one of the most discussed health exposure topics among former Greenies and continues to be relevant when discussing DVA claims and potential solvent-related illness.

    Need Assistance?

    If you are concerned that a health condition may be related to your naval service, please speak with your local GP first.

    Your GP can assess your symptoms, arrange appropriate tests, refer you to specialists, and help document medical evidence if you later decide to contact DVA or an advocate.

    Department of Veterans’ Affairs

    Website: www.dva.gov.au

    DVA General Enquiries: 133 254

    Regional callers: 1800 555 254

    Veterans can also contact:

    1800 VETERAN (1800 838 372)

    Veterans’ Advocacy Support

    Accredited advocates may assist with:

    • DVA claims
    • Statements of Principles
    • Medical evidence requirements
    • Reviews and appeals

    Important Notice

    This information is provided for historical and educational purposes only. It is not medical, legal or compensation advice.

    Always seek advice from your GP, specialist, DVA, or an accredited advocate regarding your personal circumstances.

  • Beryllium Exposure

    Introduction

    Beryllium exposure became a significant concern for former Royal Australian Navy personnel following the discovery that Jason Pistol needles used aboard naval vessels contained beryllium alloys. These tools were used extensively for removing rust and paint during maintenance operations.

    Former sailors reported frequent exposure to dust generated during operation of these tools, often without respiratory protection.

    This article preserves information compiled from veterans, Defence statements and historical reports relating to beryllium exposure and its potential health implications.


    What Was Beryllium Used For?

    Beryllium was incorporated into the needles of hydraulic descaling tools known as Jason Pistols.

    These tools were commonly used to:

    • Remove rust
    • Strip paint
    • Prepare steel surfaces
    • Conduct routine ship maintenance

    As the needles wore, fine dust was generated.

    According to veterans’ reports, personnel were often covered in dust after maintenance activities and many believed inhalation exposure was unavoidable.


    Ships Specifically Mentioned

    Historical reports identified:

    • HMAS Supply
    • HMAS Melbourne

    as vessels where Jason Pistols containing beryllium needles were known to have been used.

    Veterans’ groups estimated that up to 3,000 sailors may have been exposed between the 1950s and 1985. 


    Reported Health Concerns

    Beryllium exposure has been associated with:

    • Chronic Beryllium Disease (CBD)
    • Lung scarring
    • Persistent cough
    • Breathing difficulties
    • Reduced lung function
    • Pneumonia-like symptoms

    One veterans’ advocate reported pursuing a claim involving an ex-Greenie diagnosed with malignant brain cancer.

    The advocate noted medical literature referencing:

    “Brain cancer was associated with paternal exposure to beryllium.”

    The matter was intended to be referred to the Repatriation Medical Authority for further investigation. 


    Defence Statement

    Defence acknowledged that Jason Pistol needles containing beryllium had been used historically.

    Defence advised:

    • Historical use was being investigated.
    • Records from the period were incomplete.
    • Ex-serving members could lodge claims through DVA.
    • In rare cases respiratory exposure could result in chronic lung disease in sensitised individuals.

    Defence stated that no proven cases of occupationally-caused beryllium disease had been confirmed at the time of publication. 


    Beryllium Information Service

    Defence established the:

    Beryllium Information Service (BIS)

    Phone:

    1800 000 644

    The service was established to:

    • Register potentially exposed personnel.
    • Record possible exposure histories.
    • Provide information packages.
    • Support ongoing Defence investigations.

    Blood Testing

    The original Health Issues page referenced:

    Beryllium Lymphocyte Proliferation Test (BeLPT)

    This blood test assesses how white blood cells react to beryllium.

    At the time the information was originally compiled, testing availability in Australia was limited and it was reported that testing was primarily available in the United States. 


    Historical Importance

    The beryllium issue remains important because many veterans who originally pursued claims relating to asbestos exposure questioned whether some symptoms may also have been associated with beryllium exposure.

    For this reason, the historical information has been retained.


    Need Assistance?

    If you are concerned that a health condition may be related to your naval service, please speak with your local GP first.

    Your GP can assess your symptoms, arrange appropriate tests, refer you to specialists, and help document medical evidence if you later decide to contact DVA or an advocate.

    Department of Veterans’ Affairs

    Website: www.dva.gov.au

    DVA General Enquiries: 133 254

    Regional callers: 1800 555 254

    Veterans can also contact:

    1800 VETERAN (1800 838 372)

    Veterans’ Advocacy Support

    Accredited advocates may assist with:

    • DVA claims
    • Statements of Principles
    • Medical evidence requirements
    • Reviews and appeals

    Important Notice

    This information is provided for historical and educational purposes only. It is not medical, legal or compensation advice.

    Always seek advice from your GP, specialist, DVA, or an accredited advocate regarding your personal circumstances.